- so, linda, you, have you not, had a what we're callinga spiritual experience. maybe something like what you saw in my write-up on my ownwebsite, would i be correct? - that's correct, gary. - alright. and it had to do with cancer. it had to do with an orb.
it had to do with the thirdeye, unconditional love, and lots of cool things like that, right? - yeah, it was pretty amazing. - well, tell us the story. - it happened quite a number of years ago, and i had been diagnosed with an extremelyaggressive kind of cancer. it was synovial sarcoma,a kind of bone cancer that did not respond verywell to any kind of therapy.
at least, at that time. i don't know how they treat it today. the only option i had wasto have my leg amputated, and they gave me about a 50%chance to live for five years. and if i didn't have my legamputated within a year, i would be dead, or at leastthe cancer would be returned and i would be on my way out, let's say. so i was 22 years old at the time, married,
with a young son, and life was really good until i heard that news. and it was so devastating for me that i asked for a couple ofdays to really think about it. and i went off, i spent some time alone. and i was praying one night for strength. i wasn't brought up really religious, but i've always had akinda spiritual streak, always interested in mysticism,
that kind of a focus in my life. and as i was praying for strength, this golden ball of lightcame through the ceiling and came right up to my face. it was a light of a different dimension. it did not light up the room. it was kinda the middle ofthe night, and was very dark. go ahead. - let me interrupt, one second.
some people hearing this storyat this moment would say, well, okay, this is somebodyunder distress, duress. she may be hallucinating. and maybe you were, i don't know. but how would you respond to that? - i probably would say, if it really impacted my whole life, why would it matter? (laughing)
- okay. - for me it was a really real experience. and it took me to a very profound place that i'd been journeying at with the rest of my lifetrying to get back to. - well--- and, go ahead. - we're talking aboutjust such experiences. some people ask me about my experience. "well, weren't you just having a delusion,
"or hallucination, orsomething like that?" and to me it was so real,that would be impossible. yours is different than mine in that here's this orb, thisgolden ball of light, that somehow comes from the ceiling. i presume you can see itwith your physical eyes. it shows up in your face somehow. - yeah. - let me ask you, i knowthere's more to your story,
a lot more to the story, but i'm just curious at thismoment if you can remember. here's this ball of lightin your face, so to speak. what is your self-talk? what are you thinking at the moment? - i didn't think anything,i just watched it. because it was like total amazement to see this ball of light that comes through theceiling and come at me.
i wasn't afraid. i wasn't anything, i was just like mesmerized, maybe would be the term. it was fascinating. - okay, so here's the light. i'm sorry for interrupting. carry on. - that's okay. and from the time it camedown from the ceiling
and actually enteredinto my physical body, and it kinda went up my nose cartilage and into what i would assumewould be the third eye, into the center of my head, and as soon as it hit in there, it shone its light, i guess, on this incredible depth of love. it was like i was swimming in an ocean
of absolute limitless love. so i had that inside of me, and yet i had this understanding that that love was for me. that i wasn't alone and going through this really challenging life experience. - well, if you weren'talone, who was with you? - that sea of unconditional love. it had a--- now, is it?
i'm sorry, say it again. - it had a presence.- it had a presence. - it was probably more alive than we are here, if you can imagine that. this whole experience had more life to it than my typical everyday life experiences. - now, that's interesting, yes. and i don't recall anybodyelse that i've interviewed that have said it just like that, okay.
and to me, yeah, that, we're just comparing notes here, okay? to me, when i had my experience, it was so profound, it was like the life that youand i are experiencing now, which i'm tending to callthe world within our senses, as compared to the worldbeyond our senses, okay? while this seems like life to us, it's a non-event compared tothe, and where are the words?
the teemingness, the brilliance, the whatever it is of that other life. those are my words. are you agreeing with those? you got something else to say, or? - yeah, absolutely. i love how you call thatas the senses within, because that's exactly,this happened inside me, and yet it was bigger thani could ever possibly be
in this little human body, right? - yes. - and it didn't matter. it didn't judge me. it didn't criticize me. it didn't look at allthe times i fell short. there was only love, no matter. i actually sat, that experiencehappened for a long time, and i actually sat thereand i kinda thought about
things that i had regretted from my past, and nothing mattered. and then i brought other people in, memories of other people that had would i say, i wasn't at peacewith, let's say. (laughs) and it didn't matter. none of it mattered. there was only this pure, pure love. it was incredible.
- yeah, yes. now do this for me if you will, linda. and thank you, that'sreally helpful, i think. compare, if you will, the intensity, if that's the right word, ofthe love you're speaking of. compare that to what we call love in this other worldthat we're in right now. the love for a spouse, the love for a pet, the love for a child.
compare the two, can you? - i don't know if ican, it's so different. it would be like on theeft scale of 10, okay? i love my husband, i love my kids. they're really important parts of my life. but compared to that love, it's like everything. that love is everything. it would be like my love for my family
would be like a one compared to a 10. it's not three-dimensional love. it's really hard to express. it's like the fabric of everything. this is a love that'sa fabric of everything. - there's a statementin a course in miracles, which happens to be my spiritual path. and i don't have it memorized, but it goes something like this
and it's trying to give us a sense of what this unconditionallove of the creator really is. and it says something like this, take the most loving momentyou've ever experienced, within the bodies, this kindof thing, in this world, and multiply that by 100. and then multiply that by 100 more. and now you have the faintest glimpse of the love that awaits you.
now. - i would totally agree. there's no comparison. - yeah, fascinating. okay, so. i keep interrupting you, butthis story is fascinating. so the orb comes in. the light is there. it's doing whatever it does for you,
'cause it's unconditionallove, no judgment whatsoever. i'm gathering you're gonna tell it, i think you told me earlier before we started this recording,you still have your leg. - you wanna show it to us? - sure, see? two legs. this is the one theywere going to amputate. yeah. (laughs)- okay. (laughs)
- yeah, life is good, life is good. - so i gather your story is, well, maybe you should tell it, but i'm gathering this unconditional love, this orb experience was so healing that it turned the cornerfor you with your cancer. but those are my words, okay? so you fill in, will you? - let's say it started,
it started me down atotally different path. absolutely. i had to have this reoccurring dream before i had this experience that was making me think thatnot having my leg amputated would be a better idea for me. and then i had this experience and it really opened me up toa whole different world. and i started to have alot more intuition and...
i actually started taking some herbs, and that probably helpedto heal the physical body. then i had to work with the mind, right? because i knew that therewas this incredible love and support for me, and that it was possible for me to heal. so i kind of started working it that way. did that golden orb go poof, cure me?
i don't know, maybe it did. now i kinda don't thinkit did, though, because i learned how to muscle test, and i muscle tested my supplements,all-natural supplements. and i had went to see a practitioner who disagreed with some of my supplements and took me off of them and put me on totallydifferent supplements. and i was fortunate enough
that this particular type of cancer i had, if it was growing, it wouldcreate a rash on your abdomen. and when i went off all ofthe herbs that i tested on, i got the rash, so i knewthe cancer was growing again. so talk about a leap offaith, having to go back. and here i am today. it really is a miracle. most cancer doctors and surgeons who know that i've hadthis kind of cancer,
they say it's a miracle, or that they must've made amistake in the diagnosis, right? - well, i hear a lot ofthat regarding just eft, but we're talking aboutsomething beyond eft, beyond medicine, beyondanything imaginable that most people don't experience. so it doesn't need tobe just automatically this healing experience and thank you, lord, i'm cured, kind of thing.
(linda laughs) that's a nice story, okay. but let me ask you this,let me ask you this. if you could get to that state again, and not just get to it, butmaintain it, keep it, okay? 24/7, if you will. in that state, would disease be possible? - no. - well, how are you so sure?
- how do you know that the earth is round? i don't know. (laughs) i just, you just know. it's kind of like how do youknow that there is a god, or a creative force? some people just know. - some people just know. - the people who do healingin the spiritual realm will tend to say something like,
love is the ultimate healer. love is more powerful than medicine. or love is more powerful than hypnosis. or for that matter, anythingman-made, if you will, as a remedy. it's more powerful than drugs,and surgery, and all of that. and i buy into that bigtime, given my experience. and that's why i'm doing this optimal eft, which is bringing in the spiritual area
so we can access that more. we can combine that withour tool known as eft and get to even higher levels. that's one of the thingswe're trying to do. so that people that are in the healing professions, if they do their own work in this regard, they will enhance what i call, the pleasance of their presence.
meaning their mere presence exudes more and more and more love. and that presence itself becomes healing. over and above, or apartfrom the healing tool itself, be it medicine, eft, or anything else. so that's just me talking. do you have any thoughts on that? - well, i would agree that love heals, particularly this love.
- mm hm, yes. - it's a totally different kind of love than our human experienceis familiar with. it's way outside of our box. if you haven't experienced it, you can't imagine how muchlove there is for you. you have no idea. - yeah, and it's interestingbecause i sort of in a way pound the table for this.
and when i pound the tablein front of someone like you, you go, of course,'cause you've been there. when i pound the table in front of somebody who's never been there, i get a whole wide variety of reactions. some are very open to it, and others are almost militant against it. 'cause all of this is just so strange. there's nothing in the belief system
to hang it on, you know? and so we need folks like you to (laughs) also talk about this, you know? - it's very unusual to see an orb coming through the ceiling to start with.(gary laughs) i totally agree. but i was so desperate in that moment. it was like the darknight of the soul for me.
so it was just like a light coming tobring me some hope, i guess. when that feelingdissipated, i felt so alone. because i had been the center of the universein this unconditional love. and then when it dissipated, it was like wow, what i would say,probably like adam and eve felt when they got kicked outof the garden of eden.
it was like that. it was like, aw. and it took me a little bit of crying to get back to wow, whatan experience i had, instead of what anexperience i lost, right? one more question i have for you, linda. in that experience, some people use the term,
well, you used a similar term, you called it like youwere part of everything. i think you said somethinglike that, did you not? does that also equate to the term, you were one with everything,everything was one, there was no separation, or not? - in my particular experience, it was not, i was not one with everything. it was very clear that...
actually, it kind of waslike i was separating myself from everything in thattotal unconditional love. because there was like a clearboundary between me and it. and it just washed all overme, and washed all over me. and yet, i know that it was inside me. but so the next time i have it, i wanna be one witheverything, how's that? order in.
- most people talk about that oneness. but that's why i wanna getso many different people. if you did not experiencethe way they did, then we need to know that, okay? but the ultimate thing, the ultimate thread runningthrough all of these stories is that there's this unconditional love that is indescribable. and there's nothing in thatexperience except that.
that's been the one commonalitythroughout all of it. anyway, linda, anythingelse you wanna add? - i would probably also saythat there was an aspect of light in my feeling of love. there was kind of like a goldencolor that was part of it. but really no other visual. i explain it as a sea only because it has that kind of endless, it had that endless movement to it.
there was movement, almost like a wave. but it wasn't really water. - yes, yeah, okay. - it was absolutely fabulous, and i'm working on gettingback there, as are you. - as am i. as i am trying to assistother people along that path. anyway.
linda, what a delight. what an absolute delight. i think your story is going to be accepted and will be motivating to a lot of people. my gratitude. - thank you, gary. and here's to both of us thatone of us will find a way. - well, i'd like to haveeverybody find their way. - when one person knows the way,
all they have to do is share, right? - right. and that's where we're going. - exactly. - thank you, linda. (lighthearted music)